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2023/2024 Relegation Thread

Discussion in 'Premier League' started by Daz_Blade, Aug 7, 2023.

  1. MagpieBee

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    If Forest tried to wrangle out of it through that they’d just apply a punishment to you when you came back up. Pretty sure something like that happened to Leicester.

    They could also withold parachute payments, etc.

    Would probably mean it switches from a points deduction to a fine though.
     
  2. Kirby

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    Probably because we've only won 2 of our last 14 games, have all our best players out injured (two of them long-term) and a manager who admits he isn't even trying to win games before they've even kicked off.
     
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    13 points! Nosebleed time
     
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    You're still going down but thank you for your service yesterday.
     
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    Derby's record safe for another season
     
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    I think that was the other way round, we were in trouble with the EFL when we had gained promotion to the PL.
    Not 100% sure tbh.
     
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    We wouldn't come back up, that's a certainty. Once the inevitable happens, we can forget about this league for a very long time, thankfully!
     
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    Thing is I think when in the EFL despite any parachute payments the 3 year FFP still applies, so Marinakis would have to offload most of the players to Olympiakos or his Serbian & Turkish 'associates' teams to get out of further punishment by the EFL. Bit like what happened to QPR when they had the Steel Magnets & Tony Fernandes ploughing in the cash.
     
  9. ForestRob

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    Think that probably depends where we’re sat at present? Reportedly we’re about 15m over the permitted limit (approx 76mloss vs 61m). The major issue was our promotion season in which we lost 45m against an allowed amount of 15m.

    This season so far is hard to judge - we spent big on Sangare (35m), but have raised 70m from two player sales & have sold about another 10 for various amounts. My guess would be that after the Mangala sale in Jan we’re likely on track to comply with FFP at the end of this season. I may be delusional & it’s very hard to keep track even as a fan of all our transfers.

    Depends how much of the parachute payments is deleted by wages we’re paying - but I’d guess that we’ll gamble on keeping hold of a squad to go back up & then risk embargos after that.

    We also have huge saleable assets in the side now (in stark contrast to that QPR side) - MGW, Awoniyi, Elanga, Murillo, Niakhate, Aina, Williams, Dominguez, Danilo should all command big money for the champ of we go down. I’d guess we’ll sell 1-2 of the first three if we go down and be in an excellent position to invest to come back up.

    I may be deluded, but that’s the most likely scenario I see for our next few seasons.
     
  10. The Unbeliever

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    You’ll have to forgive me as I don’t watch any PL games, but if you have these 9 players what are you doing down at the bottom?.
    Also it’s the PL wages that will soak up and lot of your parachute payments as well as using some of the money you get from any sales.
    Tbh I don’t think you’ll go down anyway.
     
  11. Lugna rambler

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    look on the bright side.

    people make out its dreadful and they never want to come up or be in the prem anyway.

    its like as if they'd welcome the dreaded super league to get rid of all the hassles.

    yeah its a facetious comment but promotion right now is driving half the championship clubs due to the play off hopes, you cant have the excitement without the dreaded promotion.
     
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    Think if they do go down Forest will be in a great position to come back up first time. The issue would be if you didn’t, if you had a second season would probably find yourselves in quite a bit of financial difficulty.

    A lot of it will depend on wages - the kind of players signed won’t have come cheap.
     
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    I saw an article recently saying that Forest didn't have relegation clauses in a lot of their new players contracts.

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    I think that’s very fair tbh. Come to a position of cheering on Saints & Leeds to get the 2nd and 3rd promotion spots to give us an easier run next season. Would be a pretty weak division if those 3 go up & we go down with Burnley & Sheff U.
     
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    Various reasons. Primary ones being:

    1) worst GK the league - has cost us 5-7points by himself. Awful.

    2) AFCON - 6 players away for a month, we’ve gained 1 point in 4 league games in that time (and drawn 4 times in FA Cup games v league 1/champ teams)

    3) set piece defending - this is partly poor coaching, partly were a very small team (especially at CM/full back). We have the worst record in the division.

    4) weak CM - there are few sides with a weaker CM set up than us. This leads to an inability to retain possession, which means we’ve thrown away an enormous number of leads as we can never control games (2-3 is our most common scoreline this season)

    Lots of other small issues - managerial set up away from home under Cooper, Awoniyi 3m injury, about a million injuries to CB meaning we rarely play a settled partnership for more than 2-3 games.

    Think we generally share a lot of traits with the Leeds & Leicester sides from last season - more goal threat than we had last year, but just so weak defensively we can’t hold onto points.

    Think we’d have had narrowly enough without the likely points deduction, but can’t see us overcoming even a small one.
     
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    Must admit, I am surprised that so many fans are belittling the opinions of the Palace fans. As a club, you went from a positive change (buying young, progressive manager, at the time) and it started to get exciting.

    Then the results stopped coming and so did the investment in the team. You revert back to a safe, but boring manager and less investment in the team and not an exciting way to play. You are now drifting to no where and nothing looks like changing. If not this year, then next year you will be in serious trouble without changes. There's only so long you can tread water before you sink.

    I think you'll be just about safe this year, but you are right to be wanting/needing change. It isn't sustainable to do the bare minimum with 'solid pros'.


    FFP was different, and less fair (if it's fair now?!) when we went down. We weren't allowed any losses, whereas you can do it now with a rolling 3 year cycle and parachute payments are higher.

    We were stupid with who and how we spent money. We bought players that were good 10 years ago thinking that they would still be good when we got them. They weren't, but they were well paid so we couldn't shift them on. Meaning, we got fined.

    The rules changed the year after and that's why it dragged on for so long. We got a £40m fine, but that could be paid over 10 years interest free and not part of FFP (meaning, the owners pay it, not the club).
     
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    Yeah. We've been in this league long enough (and written off enough times) to know when we're in trouble and when we're not. Even when we were one of the favourites for relegation (which seemed like every season until recently) we were always pretty confident of staying up, even if we weren't playing champagne football.

    We've still got the crap football but we're no longer capable of defending (12 conceded in our last 3, all against out-of-form teams), our manager openly admits we're not trying to win games and we've got all four of our best players injured. It's a recipe for relegation, especially as the fans have turned.

    We did quite well last night in the circumstances, but ultimately we still conceded three and lost to a very poor Chelsea side. We'll lose to Everton away next Monday, because we always lose there and they'll want it more, then we have a monster game at home to Burnley. Fail to win that and we could be in the relegation zone going into March.

    It was glaringly obvious we should've made a change after Christmas and given the new manager an entire transfer window and time with the squad during the winter break, but for some reason (probably a lack of planning and lack of available candidates) we decided to plod on with Roy, and now here we are. It's almost at the point where they may as well come out and announce he's staying 'til May, because expecting a new man to come and turn things around in March is just desperate. Ideally he goes this week but I can't see it now.
     
  18. The Unbeliever

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    Not sure if it was like us, unlike you we had a settled squad with good players. Unfortunately we had a manager trying to get the sack (why else would you pick Ward) and an owner playing chicken with him waiting for him to walk.
    I think your biggest problem was gambling to stay up by spending big and poorly. Hopefully if we come up we don’t do the same but rather copy the 3 promoted teams example and stick with most of the players that got us here. I’m not particularly worried about being relegated again as the Championship is a far better league to be in.
     
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    You can tell that your current team would survive in the PL by how you are storming the Champo currently.

    Couple of signings and you'll be fine.
     
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    next year looks to be far more interesting than this one.

    the promoted clubs have only just started to make thr lower half clubs feel stressed lately and really only Luton.

    I've a feeling there will be wall to wall manager sackings next season as everyone will be feeling under threat.
     

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