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Roberto Carlos

Discussion in 'General Worldwide Football Discussion' started by Kop, Sep 5, 2002.

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Is Roberto Carlos the best defender in Europe?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

    17 vote(s)
    77.3%
  1. OneManGang

    OneManGang New Member

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    people who dont watch the brasileño play week in week out, season after season obviously will fall for the obvious. games in which he has defended very well were last seasons match vs deportivo (3-1 real), the barca match in liga away from home (1-1), the match vs betis at home when he man marked denilson and didnt let him get away with any of those mesmerising runs.

    he plays the way he does because thats how real madrid need him to play in that position...salgado plays almost exactly the same, thats one reason why real madrid are such a quick counterattacking/attacking side, because they get pacy bursts of speed from these 2 supporting the attack.

    if he was so horrible making all those runs up front, how come real have never lost a game because of him? his playing style works, its effective and does the job without little mistake.

    he is a class act, admit it. if any one of you had the choice to have in your sides, you would pick him without any doubts.

    a wing back IS A DEFENDER.
     
  2. DrownedRaccoon

    DrownedRaccoon Promotion Beckons

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    cafu has done better than him this year.
     
  3. ingvay

    ingvay Thruster Macintosh

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    the question was who you would have chosen for defender of the year, not whos the best center, wing, etc. carlos did play well this year and maybe he did deserve it (he was quiet in the wc though)

    wasnt it also carlos in 98 wc who tried to overhead kick the ball out of his own box, completely miss, and allow denmark to score? errors like that dont happen to the worlds best defender.
     
  4. Undying_Soldier

    Undying_Soldier New Member

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    r.carlos was good in the world cup too, played very well in the england and belgium matches and looked good through and through.

    ingvay...that one error r.carlos made happened what 4 years ago? once in 4 years ago you judge?

    he is underrated in some ways as well...mainly for his awesome passing skills. he can hit pinpoint crosses from 50-60 metres, from one side of the pitch to the other! did anyone see his assist to raul against the away game vs mallorca last season? :eek:
     
  5. ingvay

    ingvay Thruster Macintosh

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    it doesnt matter, it was complete idiocy on his part. he could have easily cleared the ball normally but he had to show off and it bit him in the ass. When you are playing in the worlds biggest tournament for the most prestigous trophy i can understand making errors, but that one was beyond anything i had ever seen.

    ive only been impressed by him twice, his free kick vs france and his impossible angle shot with real. other than that hes a good defender who plays a tight game, but by no means the "best defender in the world"
     
  6. Undying_Soldier

    Undying_Soldier New Member

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    yeah, THAT one error is all you can think of, and that happened 4 years ago, did it cost brazil the game? no.

    once nesta made a mistake as well, 2 seasons ago in a match vs bologna he tried to backheel the ball around signori (bologna striker), obviously like carlos trying to show off, and he lost the ball and signori scored after rounding off peruzzi easily. in the end lazio still didnt lose. mistakes are made by EVERYONE its not intentional, after all they are all human. and nesta is supposed to be the best defender in the world. :rolleyes:

    you havent watched roberto carlos enough...who set up zidane last season in the CL final? roberto carlos. who was behind mijatovic's goal in the 98 CL final? roberto carlos.

    the contribution he makes to a team is a lot for a defender...you people are all underrating his abilities as a footballer and not giving the brilliant brasileño the credit he deserves. he may not have the guile and may not be as solid as a center-back, but he helps your team win and doesnt let the opposition get past most of the time by being a good allrounder footballer.

    fvcking spuds fans and scousers...you dont know the meaning of offensive football. stick to watching your boring teams do their dirty work, dont discredit one of the best footballers in the world. :rolleyes:
     
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  7. TheGreatDane

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    He may be ONE of the best defenders in the world, but he's not THAT great. Most people on here agree with me, and I believe UEFA made a blunder by giving him that best defender award. There are many others who deserve it more than Roberto Carlos Da Silva (and no OMG, not Gary Neville if that's what you think).

    :cheers:
     
  8. ingvay

    ingvay Thruster Macintosh

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    i dont have every error of every player catologued in my brain, sorry.
     
  9. TheGreatDane

    TheGreatDane New Member

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    Who scored off that amazing volley last season in the CL final? Zidane. Who scored the goal in the 98 CL final? Mijatovic.
     
  10. Undying_Soldier

    Undying_Soldier New Member

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    your opinion is worthless as ever. ROBERTO CARLOS IS BETTER THEN ANY CLOWNCHESTER DEFENDER. and he is THAT great. uefa rarely make blunders...you dumb@sses are blind as hell, and berks, who are those 'many others' who deserved the award? gary neville, i know how you love the boy child. silvestra? blanc? :rolleyes:

    and the SET UP makes the goal berks you imbecile. if roberto carlos hadnt put those assists in mijatovic and zidane would have never scored would they child? fvcking gloryhunters...:rolleyes:
     
  11. Swede69

    Swede69 Sonia's Fella (M.I.A)

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    I have to disagree with OMG re. Carlos. I tend to side with Azza & Ingvay on this one. Carlos is a good defender but not the best nor was he the best defender in the WC. To be perfectly honest, he didn't really impress me in the WC, nor was he any great shakes in Europe last season when I saw him, Okay, compact but not much else. Whilst, he is a fantastic passer of the ball, he can't defend that well. He is by no stretch of the imagination the best in the world, regardless of what UEFA may have cited. Hell, I think Lizarazu is a better left back than him.
    I think Cafu was and is a better defender. He was, in my opinion, the leading wing back in the tournament and I may even stretch that to say that he was probably the best defender in the WC too.

    GD - RVN & Beckham can get past Carlos?? Okaaaaay...:rolleyes:

    Now what was the original question again?? :dunce:
     
  12. Undying_Soldier

    Undying_Soldier New Member

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    i have said it many times, people seem to not see.

    ROBERTO CARLOS'S POSITION DOESNT INVOLVE DEFENDING...HIS JOB IS ALWAYS TO ATTACK AND SUPPORT THE MIDFIELD. thats how the del bosque and other coaches before him made him play.

    he can defend very well when he wants to...but thats not what he is on the field for!
     
  13. Swede69

    Swede69 Sonia's Fella (M.I.A)

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    Strange then how they always play him at left back? Not sure what your criteria is for a left back but mine is a defender of some sort.

    However, if his job is to attack and support the midfield why has no manager played him in midfield? I personally feel that he should be in midfield and I have ever thought so. Whilst I have read what you have said re. Carlos, he is STILL ACTUALLY a LEFT BACK. Regardless of what you say: a criteria of his job is to DEFEND.
     
  14. Undying_Soldier

    Undying_Soldier New Member

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    wing backs are always used to go forward and attack right? i dont know about your english football mick, but in spanish and brazilian football thats what a wingback is for. to move forward and attack. most teams that play offensive ALWAYS use wingbacks to move forward.

    he just is a lot more useful from behind i guess, instead of playing midfield.
     
  15. Kop

    Kop Reclaim the Kop

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    Yes, but Lucio CAN defend.
     
  16. OneManGang

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    just like he defended vs owen in the england-brazil match right. he attacks a lot too like r.carlos leaving the other backs vulnerable.
     
  17. Kop

    Kop Reclaim the Kop

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    Everyone makes mistakes. He kept Van Nistelrooy pretty quiet though.
     

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