That's why I mentioned 3 crolsses on a peice of paper too. That's a separate thing again. People need to be of sound mind and free of influence as to their decision
But at the same time you are bringing up a notorious serial killer as if they are just roaming the corridors at nursing homes. As far as I've seen it would require two doctors and a judge to sign off. I just think a lot of the extreme "what if this were to happens" do not outweigh the many actually realistic scenarios of people simply wishing to end their suffering that this would help solve. I don't buy this "people will feel they're a burden" argument either. Older people already have this sentiment in my experience. At the end of the day for somebody to go against their primal instinct to survive and wish to end their life early in this manner means they are likely in serious pain and agony.
We've had cases of various types of predators. I think it has to be discussed in the context of safe guards.
In this instance surely it would make more sense to discuss issues of safeguards failing in countries where this policy is already in place? Have there been examples of predatory doctors taking advantage of it? Senior Tories using this has a chance to hit their favourite topics. Badenoch against the bill because of gender identity. Jenrick saying it will be open to judgement from activist judges in Strasbourg. They aren't serious people.
It's quite hard to find reliable information due to the amount of anti groups shouting about what is happening in Belgium or Switzerland for example. There have been cases taken against doctors which is one of the other points i brought up. As I said it's a individual moral question roster than a control question.
Have you read the Terminally Ill Adults (End Of Life) Bill ? https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10123/ The person wishing for an assisted death must be medically confirmed as terminally ill with 6 months or less estimated time remaining The person wishing for an assisted death must have consulted with a doctor and made the legal declaration and the doctor confirms that they meet the medical criteria set out and also meets the criteria of not being coerced The person wishing for an assisted death must have consulted with a second doctor to reconfirm points 1 & 2 The person wishing for an assisted death must have been in front of a judge to ratify points 1, 2 & 3 This bill caters for no other reasons for wishing to end your life such as (but not restricted to) mental health conditions, lifetime debilitating (but not terminal) medical conditions, body / sexuality dysmorphia. If a person does not have a terminal diagnosis with less than 6 month life expectancy then they have no eligibility to request this I'm curious - what other legal safeguards would you add to the bill ???
I’m sorry, but how do you think assisted dying would work? You’re talking like you could call up an 0800 number and they’d pop round within the hour to kill you. Raul Moat shot people so we shouldn’t have armed police. If anything this bill doesn’t go far enough. Good first step though.
Good news that it’s passed, although not for a couple of years it will prevent families having to watch their loved ones die painful and or undignified deaths.
I wouldn't want to make assumptions about what you mean by 'go far enough'. For me there are non terminal lifetime conditions which are life changing in ways that can have a catastrophic impact on a persons mental health. I have 2 of them, MS and Crohns .... the MS has me in a wheelchair now for anything more than a pootle around the house type distance. The Crohns means while I'm wobbling slowly clinging to the wall I'm now playing 'will you make it to the bathroom in time' Russian roulette sometimes 20 times a day. The anxiety that causes means leaving the house is something I spend 3 days preparing for in terms of what I eat or drink or even IF I will eat and drink in the days leading up to going out. Taking certain pain medications to 'clog up' my systems for a couple of days beforehand and even then on the day depending upon the anxiety level leaving might not be possible to the point the anxiety becomes agoraphobia. I'm lucky - my anti anxiety medication is working and has been since I went on it a couple of months back but I'll be honest and say for many months before that my mind was in a very dark place and not wanting to go on if it wouldn't get better was something that was front and centre in my mind This legislation in it's current form won't help someone in a critical long term physical or mental crisis situation because they aren't going to die imminently, but it just might give hope that in future a mentality competent human being can make a decision that will allow them to go under their own terms without pain and with dignity
Good. Of course need to be safeguards as can't have mum being bumped off under the guise of her wanting to end her suffering. We give greater rights to bloody animals when they are suffering and don't have a quality of life by letting them go in a humane way. Don't give a shite with the religious lot saying we are playing God. Doctors play God by prolonging life with operations etc.
Coming from the bloke who was vehemently anti-vax and anti-lockdown, what do you think would happen to Granny then tiger?
Starmer isn't a tin pot dictator like Trump, he isn't the government ruling by 'Executive Order' and making all the decisions himself, and in any case the proposed new law is to make spiking drinks a specific offence, though I agree existing laws do cover it.
It has been legal for Voluntary Assisted Dying in Western Australia for 3yrs and, to the best of my knowledge, there hasn’t been a scandal or questionable VA death in that time. If there had I am sure it would have made the news here. I actually knew someone who has done it. It was Mrs. D’s boss/friend. She was a Professor of Neuroscience and ironically ended up getting a Grade 4 Neuroblastoma. She knew what was going to happen and it was going to take her out fast and it wasn’t going to be pleasant. She got to a point where she didn’t want to go through the rest of it and took the VAD route surrounded by her family. It was November 2021 when she died and because the family knew she wasn’t going to see Christmas they had a Xmas Party at the end of October which we went to. I remember her brother saying a few words and he told her how much he admired her for doing what she was and “she was going to go out on her terms”. Living here and having this legal if I end up getting, say, MND I won’t mess about. I would put up with it to a point but when I got to the point that my quality of life had gone I am not going to hang around. Mrs. D works for a not for profit here that gives neurological care to people who need it. While she can’t say too much to me she has told me enough to realise that MND is a scary, horrific disease. Nobody should have to suffer how some people do with that disease. I think it is a good thing that the UK is agreeing to this and while I agree that there should be some scepticism the reality is that nobody will abuse this at all. There will be safeguards and measures in place to ensure that.
