I'd agree absolutely. But you were caught rotten by spurs and chose not to sell.anyone else to balance the gap.ypu knew you had. Imo your owners tried it on thinking maybe a fine here and got a shock so it's actually their fault. Right now it looks like you've a very good chance of not suffering the ultimate punishment for doing it I'd you didnt over spend and need to sell then sure squeeze spurs for every penny. The problem is you.over spent and that was what you.got punished for, not waiting to sell.
So you agree with what I said but still feel it is entirely our fault? I don't actually understand what you mean about being caught rotten by Spurs! "Imo" - you're welcome to your opinion, doesn't make it factual though. If anything the only story I have heard coming out is that we were in constant communication with the PL about the Johnson sale and they gave every indication that it was all going to be ok. Whether that is factual will probably come out when the appeal result is announced This is irrelevant! FFP (or whatever ridiculous name it goes by now) isn't simply about overspending, it is about balancing the books. That is why clubs like Man City now sponsor everything from the stadium to the tea lady as that is all income to offset the outgoings. Our owner is utterly loopy but he is a very rich businessman (by whatever means) and you don't become rich without having some clue about balancing the books. It is quite clear that our expenditure was done on the basis of us selling Johnson for a minimum amount so in this case our punishment did occur because of our efforts to maximise the value of an asset to offset our expenditure.
It’s pretty simple, FFP is about balancing the books within a certain timeframe. Forest didn’t do that. I think the fact that you eventually did is one factor why the points deduction was a bit smaller than might have been expected. 3-4 points felt about right to me. Said at the time even though the “size” of the breach was bigger - there was clearly a plan to address it so the deduction should have been less than Everton’s - and it was. Everything seems to have been done in a pretty fair way IMO. If what you say about the PL being informed the whole way is true, then maybe the appeal will bring it down more - but there wasn’t anything mentioned about this in the first ruling IIRC - so might not be an accurate story?
No issue with being found guilty of the breach - it cannot be disputed. The report states that we given 3 points for the breach, 3 points for the size and then 2 points back as mitigation. The mitigation was us assisting and not for any of the factors that I assume will make up our appeal. Being punished for breaching and then the size, feels like being punished twice for the same crime & if they are going to punish for the size then surely there should be some mitigation for how quickly we were back within the loss limit? The second section of the three points deducted is the issue… obviously looking at this from a biased perspective.
What I means is A) spurs are always trying to pick up a bargain.. levy is infamous for it. He knew full well you needed cash and tried it on. You didn't sell then and he came back in late in the window like he always does. B) nobody forced your club to buy any of the players you did and you know thr rules starting out and still breached so yeah sorry it is still unfortunately your own fault. You.could have held off buying a couple until you did sell. That's the point. Whoever you were talking to in the fa was clearly either a liar or what you've heard about this is coming from only one side, their side of it might be quite different. C) you will stay up anyway so its all working out for you. BTW you've every right to try the appeal. Everton have proved it's worth while to do so. I do agree the current rules for profit and sustainability are not about that at all. They allow people vastly overspend to -104 (or less in your case) and to do so until they go bust.
I'd say this; the fact the premier league refused to publish a clear sanction system has lead to this situation. We all should be seeing that it's not a beaxh it's a serious breach in the rules. Anything over -15 is a breach where owners have to assure the league they will pay those debts to the creditors. Anything over -105mil over 3 years and you are in serious breach If clubs are targeting-104mil as their working model then they will go bust so yeah the rules make little business sense really. The real issue here is the amount of money going out of all of our collective pockets to agents and players. If these rules actually start denting that as it sort of scared clubs towards in January then maybe more clubs will have a half chance and who knows maybe eventually a ticket price might actually come down. Not holding my breath on this as I reckon they will vote to remove the rules.
It’s not being punished twice for the same crime - it’s that there’s a base level of punishment (3pts) which gets scaled up by how far over you are. The 3 points on top were less than Everton got for a smaller breach right, which I assumed was because Forest eventually got back under. Who knows tbh.
In any event I think Chelsea might try everything to lose v forest and qualifying for Europe would 100% put them in breach on those rules
Relegation situation stays as it is as NFFC's appeal unsuccessful and the punishment remains at 4pts. Not surprised. No chance we were getting anything back especially after the weekends results.
I don't recall Spurs bidding earlier in the window. It was those cheapskates at Brentford trying to get him on the cheap (although what they were offering was too much for someone as raw as Johnson) I don't think you will find any Forest fan anywhere who won't say that our transfer policy has been ridiculous at times. However, our owner has always said that it's not just about getting Forest back into the PL, he wants to keep building. This ideology coupled with the fact we got promoted with a squad of players we didn't own was always going to lead to this mess. And as I have always said, I would rather us do it this way than the Sheff Utd way of this season, or the way of the likes of Norwich in the past, where they come up with no intention of surviving! We did. The Sangare deal (as bad as that now looks because he's a bit shit) wasn't completed until the Johnson deal was signed off. This is only a story I have heard - it may not have happened and as with most things like this, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle! I don't think that is a given. We will be relying, as we have all season, on Luton continuing their shit form It wasn't worth it, purely on the grounds that it is all too late in the season and a successful appeal would have relegated other clubs without a ball being kicked. They also seem to allow clubs to overspend in different ways and by different amounts. The reality is, FFP hasn't actually improved anything. Clubs are still sat on massive debts and are now spending more on individual players because each new big player move has heightened the ceiling for transfer fees. There is no way in this world a player like Brennan Johnson is worth £50m but because of other fees being thrown around for fun, we were able to basically demand what we wanted
The appeal was supposed to be announced last week but was clearly delayed to see how results played out at the weekend. Had we lost to Sheff Utd, we'd have probably got 1 or 2 points back on the appeal but as soon as we put 3 points between us and the relegation zone, it was obvious we'd get nothing back. We basically now have a manufactured relegation battle to keep Sky and the worldwide TV companies happy. I'm fully expecting more VAR controversy in our match against Chelsea because any calls will go against us because it is better for the PL that we lose so they have their big final day. If we want to beat Chelsea, it will have to be through goals that simply cannot be ruled out for any reason - basically Hudson-Odoi style goals is the only way for us now. WWE is basically more real than Premier League football
Agree 100%. There was no chance once we won that a committee were going to relegate Burnley and essentially relegate Luton too before a ball has been kicked. Couldn't have the best league in the world having zero jeopardy going into the last week now could we? That might upset Sky.
Unfortunately the events of this season involving Forest have brought on these comments. They could be complete rubbish nut the mere fact Forest fans are even entertaining these theories speaks volumes for the PL this season as an organisation
I've hated this season. A few highlights but overall we've been controversial for all the wrong reasons and I can't wait for it to be over.
